The restructuring of the advice industry through regulation, whether regarding qualifications or adviser remuneration is having a profound effect on many advisers, making them re-evaluate their role in the industry’s future. AMP’s freshly announced restructure - which was followed by its chief executive Francesco de Ferrari’s recent comments that someone on $80,000, won’t and shouldn’t afford to pay a full-time adviser on a recurring basis – looks to technology as a large part of the future of advice.
Mr de Ferrari made the comments to a largely investor audience at the Morningstar Individual Investor Conference earlier this month – as reported by ifa. His full comment was:
“If we are honest about making wealth accessible to all Australians, then we have to find another way of delivering it, because face-to-face advice is very expensive. [For someone] on an average of $80,000, they will not be able to afford or shouldn’t pay a full-time adviser on a recurring basis”
To put the comments into context, de Ferrari was in the middle of ‘pitching’ the concept of ‘modular’ advice, which is being explored as part of AMP’s new strategy to service clients in alternative ways. “Modular” would be provided only at critical life stages and would potentially be supported through ‘technology’.
“[We’ll look at] how we use technology and how we move effectively towards a more episodic advice where it’s clear to me that one size doesn’t fit all, and where we need to give clients the opportunity to buy and pay for advice when and how they need it.”
The speech provoked much outrage in the adviser community at several levels, with the ifa following up the story with a piece quoting the MD of Investment Collective, David French, who said the comments showed a “cavernous disconnect between facts and reality”. French went on to mention the benefits on an ‘on-going’ adviser relationship for the average Australian, including dealing with Super, Centrelink and the transition to retirement.
While many advisers have voiced their displeasure at the comments from the AMP chief, they do signal where AMP will concentrate some of their considerable wealth – attempting to create some sort of scaled advice solution that has so far eluded the industry.
The fact is, whether it is valuable and “worth it” or not – many “average” Australian’s do baulk at advice fees, and changes to adviser remuneration including commissions is only likely raise the direct cost of advice, making it more inaccessible. French was quoted as saying “Considering it takes at least a week to interview clients, collect and verify data and write and present a draft SOA, the cost of provision is at least $4,000. Add the cost of structuring and implementation and you are well on the way to five figures.” Without a wholesale change in the perception of your “average punter” regarding the value of advice, it would seem there are relatively few people willing to pay this amount.
When financial advice is delivered at its best, most advisers will refer to the ongoing, long lasting relationship that they possess with their client. They refer to really getting to know their client and being able to understand what their goals are – which can change considerably over time – and to helping devise wholesale strategies to reach these goals.
It is hard to see how ‘technology’ would replace this sort of adviser/client relationship, but it would seem that the fact is - until a client is convinced and ready to pay for full-scale advice, certain interim solutions (explored here, for example), including those purported to be offered by ‘technology’ may be the direction the industry has to take.
If advisers can identify these types of solutions that are cost effective, they may be able to offer help to a prospect - and, for want of a better term - stay 'linked' to them, till the client is “ready” to pay for a fuller service.
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"Part of the problem behind AMP's poor culture has been its reliance on executive suits such as accountants and lawyers to run their business which, for a significant part, should have been about providing quality financial advice to clients, not flogging products and counting dollars. So instead of going back to their grassroots (protecting families with insurance products) and hiring someone with a strong track record in financial advice here in Australia; they've hired a foreign investment banker to lead the new team, sold off their insurance arm, thrown a significant portion of their adviser network under the bus, and have doubled down on 'robo advice'. The strategy would almost be funny if it wasn't so tragic. Deeply concerning for those still invested with this brand."
Ben 19:40 on 30 Oct 19
"I think he is right. However one would have to say the AMP Platform has the worst tech out of any on the market so AMP are well behind the game."
Paul Black 18:40 on 30 Oct 19
"Tech based advice (not product sales) won't happen. The cost to build this, given the complexity of it, would be incredible and I doubt you could mount a business case to justify it. Alas, if done, it will be built as product sales tool so AMP can sell their products. What could go wrong?"
David 16:47 on 30 Oct 19
"Well summarised AR. I think the rebuke which AMP have been on the receiving end of is as a result of their current standing with the adviser community. AMP is in a tough spot as they need to be building a narrative for their shareholders that there is a future business model for institutional advice. In the short-term, the best use of energy for the profession is to focus on winning tax-deductibility of fees for clients. The longer-term economic model for advice requires much more considered thought and collaboration between advisers, tech, product manufacturers, government and professional bodies. The wounds are still far too open for that. "
Peter Worn 15:53 on 30 Oct 19
"Martin Watson your comment is spot on, well said"
Robert 15:38 on 30 Oct 19
"This type of advice does work in the states for people with less than 1 mill to invest BUT the tech spend these companies out lay is 10 BILLION a year . Here lies your problem with Absolutely no guarantee "
James Walker-powell 15:10 on 30 Oct 19
"AMP has just thrown their biggest advocates under the bus and they think clients will trust them and go direct via “tech”.? Good luck with that"
Greg 15:10 on 30 Oct 19
"Interesting comment from AMP considering they are losing how much money " $1.94 billion in its core wealth management business for the quarter ended September 30 " the whole attitude from AMP has in the past has put them where they are today, not sure to many advisers are real fond of AMP with some of there suggestions, share when AMP floated many years ago where they $47 something and today are worth?. I guess the comments to any one under $80,000 a year should be talking to a robot is interesting, reminds me of the comment "if you think its expensive to hire a professional wait until you hire an amateur" I guess you could hire a trades person to do the electrical or plumbing or you could have a go your self and see how that works out, if it works great, if it does not, well it could be a very expensive exercise. Maybe a CEO could be replaced with a robot as well?"
Rodney 15:10 on 30 Oct 19
"The advice landscape is changing and current models do not service the "average $80k client". If Davis French thinks this type of client will pay a fee "well on the way to five figures" he must have rocks in his head! Advisers will have to offer different levels of service and use different technologies to help service their clients and those interested in getting advice. Keeping in touch with potential future clients who they can help initially with one-off advice will be key. The industry will reward those good at networking and keeping abreast of new trends and methods and advice WILL be delivered differently in the future."
Scarface 15:02 on 30 Oct 19
"Mr de Ferrari is an IDIOT!! It is easy to throw stones at advisers when you just got rid of 25% of your workforce and try to justify your actions and easier again when you are on a multi million dollar salary and CLEARLY have no comprehension of what it means to earn $80,000. But i can think of a few clients i have who both earn less than $80,000 who we made a SIGNIFICANT difference to their lives: - retiring debt free a few years earlier than they would have without advice - retiring with $120,000 more than expected thanks to good advice - getting mum into the right nursing home thanks to good advice and empathy for their personal situation When you have worked as an adviser for over 20 years and had the good fortune to work with a number of clients and SEE first hand what a difference QUALITY advice can provide, then you appreciate why the comment of "someone on $80,000 shouldn't be paying for regular advice" is presumptuous at worst and down right stupid at best. I invite Mr DeFerrari to come to our business and see first hand what good advice means - sounds like he may not need it but i am sure those 'small' policy holders with AMP may be duly enlightened by the good advisers within and outside the AMP network. "
Martin Watson 15:01 on 30 Oct 19